The following interview was done in 2024.

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MOURNING THE ANCIENT INTERVIEW FOR DEATH AND THE SUN #5

1) Top of the morning to you. Let's begin in the most unimaginative way imaginable: who are you, and what is it that you do? More specifically, what is the status of Mourning the Ancient today, in 2023?

Hi there, it was good to meet you. Okay, I am Molly and I do a website called Mourning the Ancient. The website is very active, I dedicate pretty much all of my spare time working on it. Over the years it has grown into quite the beast, with tons of sections to explore. I've also been the model for our photography all these years, doing about 150 or so photo shoots.

2) Please give a brief account of the humble or not so humble beginnings of Mourning the Ancient. Obviously the site itself offers plenty of background, but for those of our readers who are unaware of you, it will probably be enlightening.

Sure, we began in the Autumn of 1995, with the goal of putting out a paper 'zine. We started doing interviews by mail of various bands we liked and also started doing primitive photo shoots and video experimentation. We were young and had no idea what we were doing, but we had the passion and ambition to keep us going, even though we never did produce a paper 'zine. We also had a ton of problems with censorship, every place where I live banned us from developing our photos. We used 35mm cameras, which needed developed, which were years before commercial digital cameras were available. Many of our early photo shoots had a lot of blood and nudity, which apparently greatly offended people. It was a different age then. I honestly don't think people would have a problem with most of our stuff now. But you never know, I guess. So there was a time when all we could do was video work, probably a good two years or so. In 1996 we got a computer running Windows 95, which we were able to then grab stills of our video work and print into photos, but the quality was lacking. It was better than nothing though.

The internet was still like the Wild West in those days, but it made us realize that we wanted to do a webzine, and not a paper 'zine. In 1998 we met a guy from the Philippines who lived here in my city and he taught us how to make web pages. He didn't speak the best English, but he liked metal music so that sort of united us. We taught him a lot of English, and in turn he taught us HTML, a good trade. Back in the Philippines he used to bootleg metal shirts, as everyone did in those parts, so he also taught us silk screening. Together we silk screened the huge Expansion Symbol tapestry you see in a lot of our early photos. We also did early Mourning the Ancient shirts (one of which I traded to the guitarist of Immolation when they came to town for one of their tour shirts, which was very cool at the time).

He also told me about the 3rd world that he grew up in. The hopelessness, lawlessness and poverty. He was the first Asian that I had met that was pro-Japanese during WWII. He told me that they had brought order to the Philippines, which was being occupied by the USA when Japan liberated it during WW2. Japan tried to bring back the Filipino Tagalog language, for example, and also began various cultural programs to help the people learn their history, a history that decades of American occupation had largely destroyed. Not many people know that between the years 1899 and 1913 the United States carried out a genocidal war against the Filipino people. Bernard Fall, as quoted in E. Ahmed's 'The Theory and Fallacies of Counter-Insurgency', called the conquest of the Philippines 'the bloodiest colonial war (in proportion to population) ever fought by a white power in Asia; it cost the lives of 3,000,000 Filipinos.' Here is a quote from the book:

'In November 1901, the Manila correspondent of The Philadelphia Ledger reported: The present war is no bloodless, opera bouffe engagement; our men have been relentless, have killed to exterminate men, women, children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents and suspected people from lads of ten up, the idea prevailing that the Filipino as such was little better than a dog...

Our soldiers have pumped salt water into men to make them talk, and have taken prisoners people who held up their hands and peacefully surrendered, and an hour later, without an atom of evidence to show that they were even insurrectos, stood them on a bridge and shot them down one by one, to drop into the water below and float down, as examples to those who found their bullet-loaded corpses.'

The more you research Japan's 'occupation' of Asian countries, the more you realize it was liberation. They freed many peoples and nations from a rather brutal and racist colonial rule. Empires which sucked the resources from countries like a vampire. Japan promised the countries they liberated total freedom at war’s end, and based upon what they were doing in the years they were there shows they were serious. They set up interim governments, largely filling them with freedom fighters who were in the colonial prisons, and taught them about the politics of government. They set up infrastructures, roads, waterworks, electricity, health standards, etc. One interesting tidbit comes from Indochina (Vietnam), where during the USA’s Vietnam War, they used a lot of bases and infrastructure that were built by the Japanese decades before.

Were the Japanese brutal at times? Of course, I'm sure they were. But let me tell you this, I would rather have my country occupied by my race than another race from across the globe. The Japanese gave the Asians under their care a true taste of freedom. And that taste would stay with them and spell the end of European colonialists. The Dutch and French and so on came back to those countries they had occupied before the war and acted like everything would get back to usual. When they found that the people were different now, that they no longer wanted to be slaves, they tried offering concessions, but eventually they realized it was over.

Of course, the powers-that-be realized that there are easier ways at getting to another country’s resources, largely through corrupt governments. But that's another story.

3) When reading your "15 years" article, I chuckled when coming across the story about the photo developers who in your early years told you to take a hike. In these days of algorithm based censorship and propaganda it sounds somewhat quaint, but it must have been a huge setback in those days - without digital cameras and the internet it's basically an immense obstacle. Care to repeat this story for the shock and amusement of Death and the Sun's readers?

Since I already talked about this, I will tell you that yes it was a setback, and a downer. It shaved Mourning the Ancient down from three people, to two. And it's been us two ever since, but a variety of people have helped us along the way.

I was there during some of the times the photo developers told us not to come back. It was funny at the time, seeing the disdain and how deeply offended they were. "We don't want your business!" or "Don't ever come back here again!" Eventually after about a half dozen times there was no one left. When we did our 2001 Mourning the Ancient film we went to a big video place to have it replicated and we ordered like 100 VHS copies. After a few days they told us to come and get the master copy of the film and never come back there again! We were like "here we go again". So we went to this small place in an industrial section of the city. They had a receptionist and guys with suits on were coming and going. Apparently they normally only did business videos and presentations for clients. But they took our master and told us to check back in a few days. Eventually we went into the office and said who we were...

The receptionist looked at a file and then says "My boss would like to talk to you." We were like "...oh great". We sit down and wait a minute when two guys in suits come out of an office and walk up to us, both of them smiling. They look at me with big smiles and shake our hands, saying "Was that you in that video?" I meekly answered "Yes", to them saying "WE LOVED IT!" They asked us a million questions, how we did it, where were some of the filming locations, etc. It was a strange, surreal experience. We were so used to being hated. And this places stiff, professional office assured us it would be much the same. It was a nice change.

4) Could you tell us something about yourselves? By "something" I don't mean social security numbers and home towns, but rather who you are as people? Has the "line-up" of the web-zine been mostly the same over time, or have you had many different guys and gals involved? What is the situation right now?

Well, first and foremost we wanted to tell people what we had learned about the truth hidden in this world. The truth about WWII, about our society and our world. We were young and anxious to shout to the world what we had a short time ago learned ourselves. I always knew something was terminally awful about the world, but to find out why and how was mind-blowing. We were worse than those colonized Asians, we were slaves but thought we were free. The invisible chains are the strongest. As I mentioned we began with three people, but for 99% of the time it's been me and one other person. There has been a lot of people who have come and gone over the years who helped us with this and that. A few other models joined me over the years, for example, for a handful of photo shoots.

But, to answer your question more directly, who am I? That's kind of a hard one. I am a person who dedicated herself to what is right. A fighter for truth and I feel it is a duty to spread that truth to my sleeping brothers and sisters. I'm proud and happy to be but one cog in the machine that is awakening the world. I know it may sound melodramatic, but it is true. I'm a fanatical believer in the truth and nothing will ever change that.

5) Since Death and the Sun is primarily a music fanzine, it might make sense to ask you about your interest in music, since I guess one could say that you began as primarily a music and photography oriented project. Any thoughts on your early interviews with MASTER and others? What is your view on (black) metal, RAC and actually music in general these days?

I remember that early interview with Master, I think it may have been the first interview we got back. He was from North Hollywood, a cesspool of crime and urban decay. He told me he was "very busy trying to stay alive", his honesty brought a smile to my face. It was a beginning. My musical tastes have broadened a bit over the years, but I still enjoy everything I once did. We used to listen to only a few CDs while doing our photography in the early days, the Norwegian band Funeral, their CD Tragedies, and early Ordo Equitum Solis. I like a lot of black metal, old stuff like Venom, Possessed to Burzum and Bathory. I like a lot of death metal too, like obscure stuff like Deteriorate and Goatlord to more mainstream stuff like Obituary and Death. I got into RAC stuff much later, but loved a lot of it. Not only the message, but the passion and drive of the artists, who often were arrested for speech and thought crimes. I especially love Landser, Skrewdriver and Block 11. But there is a ton more I listen to almost daily. I think RAC has come a long way in the past decade or two.

I'm not really a fan of too many modern bands. A lot of it simply bores me. I feel like a lot of what is released these days has already been done, and often done better. Of course, I'm sure there are exceptions. I don't get many promos anymore, so I don't hear a whole lot of new stuff. Since putting WWII truth on the website both bands and labels immediately cut me off. I guess dead babies, serial killers and mass murder, cannibalism, necrophilia and the like are okay, but bring up the fact that we were taught lies about WWII and history in general, and you soon find out that isn't tolerated at all. People's programming makes them go into their shells. Many of these people hate the modern world, hate what's become of it, yet try to tell them why and they start spouting out system slogans and lies taught to them by the very people they supposedly hate. Or more commonly, you get a complete shutdown. I mean people will see the world governments lying about everything under the sun, but when it comes to certain topics, like WWII, they tow the system line totally and completely. It's like, if you know they lied to you about a slew of other things, why do you trust them on the most important thing? I guess people are comfortable with their lies, especially the older generations.

6) Will we see a PRIMITIVE SUPREMACY comeback any time soon (everyone's doing it these days - now's the time, etc...)? Are you currently involved with music in some other way?

No I don't think so. It was fun doing the music for our photo CDs and the Elegy Records CD, but I have so many other things to get done that I'll never have the time. It was a fun experience though.

7) There is a clear ideological core to MTA, which is National Socialism. Primarily as a vehicle for white/pro-European identity, but also as a global ideology of sorts (underscored by the 'Adolf Hitler and the Army of Mankind' project). Please elaborate a bit on this - this right here is the essay question...

We always intended Mourning the Ancient to be political, but with music and art as a vehicle. Since metal music has always been rife with politics, it was perfect. We would support the music we loved and state the truths we had found along the way. Learning the truth about WWII has been the most vast and difficult journey I've ever taken. You are never done, there is always something new to learn. You could probably spend ten lifetimes and not know it all. But over the years, back in the days when information and photographs were scarce, I'd collect anything I found of interest, knowing one day I'd present it all. I amassed a massive collection of files, well over 100,000 pictures and documents. But the one thing that struck me over the years was non-white people wearing eagles and swastikas on their chests and fighting for 'Nazi' Germany. I was taught like most people that the 'evil Nazis' wanted to kill anything that wasn't 'blond hair and blue eyes'.

I first found a few photos of Africans in the service of the German army and then Asians. I asked myself 'why did they lie?' and 'what else did they lie about?' I eventually learned that most everything negative that the victors say about the Third Reich they themselves are usually guilty of. They love to project their own evils on their enemies. Let's take racism for example. We all have learned that Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich were a bunch of evil racists, right? Even while the Allies, like Britain, had mountains of colonial conquests. The USA had Jim Crow laws and segregation. There was an American black pilot who was shot down over Germany and put into a German POW camp. In his book he said he felt more freedom there than ever as a 'free' American. It was the first time the races weren't segregated, the first time he said people treated him like a man. When he was eventually freed at war’s end he stepped off a boat to American soil, to hear an officer barking "Whites to the left, niggers to the right!"

Various black leaders and intellectuals visited the Third Reich and even met with Adolf Hitler, all of them came back saying it was a better society than the USA. That they weren't racist like the USA. Now of course, everyone is racist to an extent, it is normal to be cautious around what isn't familiar to you. It is also normal to love one's own people. These things are deeply rooted in us and connected to our instincts. The enemies of truth have taught us that every race can be proud except the white race. Recently various countries and organizations have even went so far as saying the words "It's okay to be white" is in fact a hate slogan. What started off as an internet joke to see how the system would react ended in insane condemnation. Now we're dealing with white genocide, which even official channels of China has recognized and condemned. Presidential candidates are talking about it, and not only white ones.

The USA has absolutely and totally been flooded with non-white races of all kinds during 2023. As has Europe, Australia, Canada, in fact all white countries. But even countries like Algeria are being flooded with black Africans. Jews and their allies are attempting to flood Japan and Korea with foreigners too. It isn't just white people, but it is primarily so. Through decades they softened our race up, preparing it for destruction. They taught us non-stop how evil our ancestors were, how pathetic we are, how we should feel guilty. They made blacks the heroes of our children. Made black people's music the popular music of our society. They did everything they could to see our females mix with non-whites. And it continues to this day. Birth rates in all white countries are falling rapidly and more white people are dying than being born every year.

We could talk about this topic all day long. But I want Adolf Hitler and the Army of Mankind to be a beacon of truth, to all races. Because all races fought and died with National Socialist Germany. They say pictures say a 1000 words, well I've got a few billion words for you. The pictures were carefully collected over decades, and are meant to make you question the lies you've been taught. The Allies were the racist, evil ones, not Germany and her Allies. The USA propped up the Soviet Union and ensured its survival during the German-European invasion. How many lives would this later cost? 80 million? Many sources say so. Some say even more. Did you know that communism was even trying to take over Japan before their invasion of China (Manchukuo/Mancheria)? That they, like Germany, saw communism as a great threat, and invaded China to stop it. Yet once again, the USA secretly helped the communists in China, ensuring that neither Japan, nor the Chinese nationalist armies could destroy it. Did you know that during Japan's liberation of the Pacific, they captured old German colonies which were taken from Germany after WWI, and Japan offered to give them back? Adolf Hitler said no, that Germany wouldn't be colonialists. Quite a telling reply. Like passing up a small fortune. This is going to be a book if I don't end this, so -- THE END.

8) You have a very extensive collection of Third Reich related historical information and scans on your site - letters, news articles, all sorts of documentation really. From where do you acquire all this stuff? Do you have contacts who submit it, or do you do a lot of the legwork yourself?

Basically since I first got on the internet in 1996 I began collecting anything interesting I ran across. Pictures from all over the internet, online auctions, reader contributions, forums... I have a mountain of books and magazines too.

9) One of the most fascinating aspects of the site is the collection of interviews done by Brian - these should be of immense historical interest to basically anyone who cares about anything (Armenian SS/Wehrmacht volunteers aren't exactly prime time interview subjects in Western media...). Are these exclusive to MTA, or have they appeared elsewhere? Tell us how they came to be "archived" at MTA. Or anything else interesting about them, really, because they are extremely interesting!

I agree 100% of the importance and relevance of the WWII interviews! A few were posted on a forum many years ago, but the gross majority are debuting on Mourning the Ancient, which is quite the honor for me. I have a few German friends who help me edit and research them, and one who also translates them to German. We know a ton about WWII, needless to say, but we have learned mountains of information from the interviews. They are truly treasure troves of information and firsthand accounts of the war.

Brian was researching something WWII related on the internet and found Mourning the Ancient. We started talking and that's when he offered to give me the interviews. We've been close comrades ever since. So far we've posted 145 interviews and he has maybe a hundred and some more to type up. It's mind-boggling. The interviews just sat in his closet for decades. Anything could have happened to them. A fire, flood, who knows?

One thing that may interest you further is that the interviews were supposed to be published in a series of books. He found a publisher and everything. The first book was edited and designed and right before it went to print the publisher canceled it. The reason? "It is too pro-Nazi". The publisher was also the editor, so they knew all about the interviews and had read them previously. They weren't "too pro-Nazi" then, so why the change? Obviously outside pressure from somewhere. But that attempt at censorship was a stroke of utter luck for us and the world. Now everyone can read them and save them for free. We encourage people to translate them into their native languages. The world needs to read them!

10) Photography - occult, erotic, pagan, and other - has always been a major part of your work. Now, I'm a visual mongoloid (I know what I like, but I don't understand anything about the principles of visual aesthetics), so consider this another essay question: what has been the general idea behind your many, many photo shoots (and videos)?

I've always been a fan of horror movies and dark things in general and I think that influence shows up a lot in the earlier shoots (and appears again here and there throughout the years). I also have a keen interest in ancient religions, from all over the world, but especially my own European people. Runes and 'pagan', 'heathen' influences run deeply throughout many photo shoots. The pentagram itself, like most non-Christian symbols, was turned into a 'devil star' or whatever else propaganda the Church could apply to it. In reality it is an ancient symbol, in some cultures it meant 'truth'. The druids, for example, would write the pentagram on the soles of their feet, so they could 'walk with truth'. The arrow bars around the pentagram are taken from another old symbol for expansion -- the expansion of truth.

I liked its 'scary' symbolism on the surface, much like the Third Reich, or our ancient religions, but look deeper and there is nothing scary or evil there at all. Just lies upon lies heaped upon them, in a concerted effort to hide the truth so that no one would ever find it. I love symbolism myself. I also love cryptography and codes. In a few of the photo shoots we've done codes for the reader to try and solve. All but one has been solved. When you solve them they reveal hidden photo shoots. I'm still waiting for that final code to be solved! I might be waiting a long time, it's like the unsolved Zodiac Killer's codes, I think. Haha...

But my favorite shoots are the more National Socialist type ones. That's where my heart lies.

11) My research has led me to understand that you've made some appearances in physical print, like your collaboration with Der Wehrwolf 2012. Have you ever considered trying to find someone to help you release significant amounts of your material in physical, full-color form? I have little doubt that it would be financially viable for whomever took the time to do it, if it combined the various elements of the site.

It's good that you mentioned Der Wehrwolf, I'm actually doing a long interview with it as we speak. The guy behind it is releasing all of his past issues into one issue. Some years and years ago he did a Mourning the Ancient issue and now he is doing another one. These will probably be his final releases. He is also working on some other phenomenal works, which should be released sometime soon. If you can, get in touch with him, he is an artistic genius.

We've dreamed a lot over the years of putting out something like what you've said. Like a coffee table book would be grand. I'd love to see examples from all the shoots, a number of which remain unreleased due to time constraints, all in one place. But alas, I removed myself from any possibility of making any money when I did the NS shoots and Adolf Hitler and the Army of Mankind. They blacklist you for such and our enemies have long memories. So I've never even tried. But if someone came to me with a means to do it I would probably be all for it.

12) What has been your experience of running a webzine like Mourning the Ancient in the US? Have you faced the full wrath of the System & the Herd, or have you gone mostly under the radar?

Surprisingly it's been 99.9% positive experiences. I get an insane person or a perverted email once in a while, but not very often. I wish I would get more hate mail because then I could put it on the website to laugh at. I don't mind them at all and think they are pretty funny. I've met a ton of amazing people from all over the world through Mourning the Ancient. My friends and comrades around the world are my fuel to keep going at times.

13) What is your opinion on the state of truth, information and information technology today? In my view, the brief window of accessible, correct information which was offered by the early rise of the internet is now closed. The usual suspects (all of them, not just the most usual) have all learned to flood every nook and cranny with propaganda and nonsense, and it is very difficult to acquire correct data about what is going on.

You are absolutely correct! There has been a huge change in the internet the past few years. It's odd that we have to go to a Russian service -- Yandex -- to get a decent search engine. Google is nearly unusable now. Sadly a lot of the old great websites are gone. Young people will never know the mystery and greatness of the old internet. It was more than just information, it was a community untainted by the mainstream. Smart phones brought every NPC drone of the world to the internet. People have a way of ruining everything they touch. In the future our tyrants will totally destroy the internet. There will be nothing left unique or running contrary to their system lies and false narratives. I see freedom around the world ebbing away, especially in the West, where the enemies might and money is concentrated.

14) More broadly, what of the US and the world? Is there any hope besides hoping for a miracle or a disaster?

I like how you put that. Hoping for a miracle or a disaster... it's sad that it’s come to this. Everything is decaying around us and corruption reaches new highs every day it seems. Society at large has become such a desensitized herd of monsters. Conformity, like it always has, still has such a strong hold on people. I think it was Dr. Pierce who said that as long as people have beer in their refrigerators and a game on television they'll be content. They'll do everything the system wants them to do to keep it. These lemmings are only a distraction for us though. Tomorrow they'll be waving flags at the side of the road during our victory parade. It only takes a small group of dedicated men to change the world. Unfortunately our enemies have a large group of dedicated men who have handed down a growing power over the centuries, even millennia. Since ancient days when they destroyed Aryan Sumeria, they've been preparing for this age. This is the age where they rule us with an iron fist. When they have total domination. Of course, to us, it is the Iron Age, the Ragnarok, the Kali Yuga. Our ancestors predicted the collapse, but they also saw good, the light, winning.

I believe in my heart we will win. Love will destroy their hate. Adolf Hitler said one day his spirit would return and the world would know he was right. He has returned. I see his spirit everywhere, like never, ever before. In the young, the 'Generation Alpha', I see so many of their spirits revolting from the brainwashing, seeing Adolf Hitler, instinctually, good. The other day I was watching a guy go on an Omegle type site and talking to whoever about Adolf Hitler. I was astounded by the number of young people giving the stiff arm salute and 'Heil Hitler'. And the amount of non-white people, blacks and Arabs especially, awakened to the truth. It really gives one hope. It shows that all of the work people like Dr. William Pierce put into the fight is reaching fruition. All the lonely and depressing years of our movement, seemingly going nowhere, are over. Our time is coming. But we must double our efforts. Triple our efforts. Now more than ever. Get the truth out there. Tell them about the real Adolf Hitler. That's one of the great lynch pins. You take out their lies about him and the great WWII lies collapse.

Of course, there are many methods of awakening people to the truth, that's just my favorite. When I learned that the National Socialists and their allies fought and died to prevent the filth we are experiencing now, my life changed. When I learned that Adolf Hitler was everything good, to a fault, everything honorable, even though his enemies were not, everything noble and lasting, everything I would come to love, as a soldier of truth, as a woman, as a proud member of His Army of Mankind.

15) And, even more broadly and clearly more importantly: what of Mourning the Ancient? Will you keep things going for ever and ever, or is there an expiry date?

Indeed I will. I will never stop while my heart still beats. I will scrawl it in my blood on my dungeon wall if I have to. It is a crusade of truth. My corpse shall scratch HEIL HITLER on my coffin lid as they push me into the fire of cremation! Haha...

16) One thing I've realized as I've browsed the site parallel to writing these questions is that this interview could easily consist of 40 questions or more. The limitations of the paper format makes that sub-optimal, though, so this is where it ends. Any last words you have to offer, any major omission I've made (there are many), or any salutes you feel need to deliver - all are welcome here.

I know what you mean, but they've been great questions, I hope I've answered them fully for you. We could indeed fill books with the topics. First, I'd like to thank you. I've heard good things about your 'zine, and I can now see why. I can't wait to hold it in my hands, my friend. It's been such a long journey. I've met so many great people, many of whom eventually disappeared into the crowd. But my greatest comrades, some of whom I've known since the very beginning, I'd like to thank: Rob, Marco, Wolf, Brian, Markus, Anthony, James, Fred and all the others... it's been my greatest pleasure sharing this battlefield we call life with you. And thank you also to our enemies. We couldn't ask for a more evil, despicable, degenerate and horrible foe. Like an enemy from a child's storybook. Like a fabled evil in an old tome who is eventually, through the sacrifice of heroes, beaten. 88!


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