When I was in West Virginia, in February of 2000, a reporter from the
Los Angeles Times came by to interview Dr. Pierce. On my way to lunch I
looked into her car. It was parked in the office parking lot. On the
front seat she had a book called: 'Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of
the Satanic Metal Underground'. This sounded rather sensationalistic, of
course, but also intriguing -- especially as I knew that Dr. Pierce was
interested in expanding Resistance Records from mostly Skinhead/Oi!
music to other types of pro-White music, including Black Metal.
So anyway, I bought this book from Amazon.com and thereby found out
about Hendrik Möbus. A few months after this, a guy who was helping out
with Resistance Records saw the book in my office and told me that
Hendrik was at that time in the United States. This was quite
interesting to me because I thought he was still in Germany and most
likely still in jail.
In June of 2000 Erich Gliebe, the manager of Resistance Records, came to
Hillsboro with a visitor who he said was very involved in the music
scene in Europe. The visitor said that his name was "Hans" and that he
was on vacation in the United States. He was making use of his vacation
by discussing non-mainstream music with various people in the United
States. Hans was rather badly injured when he arrived. Erich said this
was due to a motorcycle accident.
Of course, "Hans" was actually Hendrik Moebus and his injuries resulted
from a beating he received at the hands of Nathan "Zorn" Pett and
Michael Lujan. They were irritated because their record label didn't
make as much money for them as they hoped. The main problem was that
they didn't have enough money to press or advertise CD's. One of his
attackers also had a long history of violence and mental problems. This
also did not help his company succeed. However they preferred to blame
Hendrik for all their problems and beat him savagely.
Hans decided to stay in Hillsboro for a while to recover from his
injuries and to help out with Resistance Records. He was a very hard
worker and his strength of character and mature ideology impressed Dr.
Pierce.
On August 27th a visitor came by the National Office of the National
Alliance in Hillsboro. I warned Hans to stay away from him, as I
regarded his behavior on past occasions as suspicious. However,
Hans/Hendrik was a very friendly and trusting person. When this person
asked if he would like to go in to town for lunch the next day, he
happily agreed. When the car arrived at the restaurant, instead of
parking in a spot close to the restaurant, they parked in a far corner.
While the visitor showed Hendrik a knife he recently bought, the car was
surrounded by U.S. Marshals vans.
Hendrik was rapidly surrounded by armed Marshals. He got out of the car
voluntarily and put up no resistance whatsoever, but he was nevertheless
savagely handled by the Marshals. They throw him against a car with
enough force for his teeth to make a dent in the hood and twisted his
left arm behind his back in a manner designed to break it. His arm was
not only broken, but had a ½ inch gap between the bone parts. He
complained of this to the Marshals and later to the prison authorities,
but he received no medical treatment whatsoever for several months.
Dr. Pierce tried to find out what had happened to Hendrik and what jail
he was in, but neither the Marshals nor any other government agency
would give him any information.
I was out shopping when all this happened, but I found out about it when
I returned to Hillsboro. This was the same day that he was
apprehended. The next day, I purchased the www.HendrikMoebus.com
domain. I did this because I regarded what had happened to him as
extremely unjust.
Being from California, I knew perfectly well how leniently illegal
aliens are treated. And overstaying his visa was Hendrik's only crime
by U.S. law. Those who say that he was an "international fugitive" just
do not understand how U.S. immigration law is "enforced." In California
not only are the U.S. Marshals not sent after illegal aliens, illegal
aliens are legally allowed to attend state-sponsored colleges and
universities -- as illegal aliens!
Clearly, the only reasons Hendrik was arrested were his politics and his
influence on youth culture in Germany. His case is an excellent one for
showing how hypocritical the U.S. government is. It also shows how
little those who talk about believing in freedom actually believe in
freedom. This is true for both those in the government and those in the
media .
There was a good deal of support for Hendrik when the National Alliance
was publicizing his case. As most readers probably know, Hendrik
applied for political asylum while in prison in the United States and
the National Alliance handled his legal fees. After Hendrik was
deported, the National Alliance stopped paying his legal fees and also
stopped giving much publicity to his case. This has negatively effected
the number of donations to Hendrik's defense fund. The NA's goal was to
get political asylum for Hendrik and then have him work as a paid
representative of Resistance Records and Ancestral Research Records.
Of course this is no longer possible with Hendrik back in Germany, but
he still very much needs money for attorneys. He will most likely have
many trials in Germany for his political "crimes" and having a good
attorney could shorten the sentence he receives. He also needs good
legal representation to protect him from ill-treatment while in the
prison system of the FRG. While many police officers and prison guards
understand that he is not a common criminal and respect him for standing
up for his beliefs. The political bureaucrats and the media hate him.
The modern-day commissars of the FRG will do all they can to make his
prison time long and difficult. While the media people will do all they
can to get the general public to hate him.
I know you're not very familiar with the type of music which Hendrik
was at one time involved in, certainly it isn't important for the great
work you've been aiding him with, however, you've probably learned a lot
more about the black metal scene in the time you've been assisting his
case. Could you tell us your thoughts in general?
Actually, I still do not know much about the scene. I do like a lot of
the music. I do not care for the typical vocals of Black Metal,
however. To me truth is very important and this growling style of
vocals sounds put-on and phony. I like the darker, slower stuff with
non-traditional vocals or no vocals. Keep in mind that I am an
outsider, however. (And an old lady at that!) I do not have any desire
to tell people how their music should be played or sung. And I do like
many of the people I have met in the scene. Many are very intelligent
and ideologically sound.
What kind of person have you found him to be through your
correspondence?
He is interested in a wide variety of subjects. He can also write in
English very well. Although he doesn't have a dictionary in prison, it
is very rare for him to even misspell a word in English. I doubt if he
ever misspells anything in German! He is also very optimistic and has a
good sense of humor. He always tries to make the best of his situation,
no matter what it is.
Are you still in touch with Hendrik since he was taken back to
Germany?
Yes, we still exchange letters. Recently, he has been permitted to
write letters in English, formerly he could only write in German. Both
his letters and those written to him are read by censors, however. If
they do not conform to the FRG's Orwellian thought crime laws, the
letters will not reach their destination. Hendrik likes to get mail,
and would encourage all who support him to write to him. Unfortunately,
he cannot answer every letter he gets. The authorities have assigned
him to be a janitor in prison, so his free time is limited. Also, the
postal rates in Germany are very high and this sometimes prevents him
from writing -- especially overseas.
Did he reveal his thoughts about it all (going back)?
He did not want to go back, of course, because he knew it would mean
many long years in prison for political "crimes." He loves Germany, but
wants to be somewhere where he has enough freedom to do his musical work.
He was totally surprised by his apprehension and also by his deportation
as he had no idea either would occur.
He does however prefer prison in Germany to prison in the United
States. There are fewer Third Worlders and fewer violent inmates in
German prisons than there are in U.S. prisons (although some German
prisons rival the U.S. prisons in both regards). So conditions in
German prisons are generally not as strict as in U.S. prisons. And
while many of the inmates in Germany hate him because they have been
brainwashed by the German media, others think of him quite favorably.
He also thinks the food is much better there.
Will he still be able to write any articles/etc. for the FHM site?
No. He has been expressly prohibited from making any public
statements. He cannot write for publication, either in print or on the
Internet. He also cannot give interviews. Not only is he forbidden to
give interviews with zines and underground publications, but also with
mainstream publications and television. Germany is not a free country
and the main reason he was apprehended and locked up was to silence
him.
You do a lot of web work for the National Alliance. How did this
come about and what is your motivation behind it? Could you explain to
us what the NA means to you? Is it indeed this racist, hate organization
which the media paints it to be?
Well, I grew up in California. When I was young, the were many
beautiful empty spaces, clean air, un-crowded beaches, mountains,
rivers, and lakes. The schools were the best in the nation and most
neighborhoods had very little crime. Generally, only the husband in a
family would work, but even with a few children and the wife staying at
home, the family could a afford a nice house -- even on "blue collar"
wages. Of course, this is all totally different now and the reason for
the difference is the massive immigration from the Third World.
When I got out of college and started working with the public, I
realized it wasn't just the increased numbers of people that caused this
deterioration (although overpopulation would be a problem regardless of
the nature of the populace), but that different ethnic groups have
different morals, different ideals, different intelligence, and
different goals. People with so many differences cannot help but be in
conflict. Furthermore, "nice" slogans do not overcome human nature. I
quickly came to believe that an all-White society would be vastly better
than the multiculti morass that we have today. I think that the
National Alliance is the most professional and capable organization
working for a White society.
The word "racist" has been demonized by the media, but I do not think it
should be. Every healthy people prefers their own kind. I do not think
this is evil, it is what Mother Nature intended. I also do not think
this desire to be among one's own kind is "hate." The word "hate" has
basically lost its meaning as given in a dictionary when used by the
mainstream media.
If you, for example support a greater number of non-White students in a
school, you will almost certainly be subjecting the White children to
verbal and physical abuse, but, somehow, this is called being opposed to
"hate." In fact, it is cruel and hateful. On the other hand if you
simply advocate that Whites should marry and have children with other
Whites and try to maintain their traditions, this is "hate." "Hate" is
now just a word to scare people into conformity.
Tell us your thoughts on the growing censorship in America and
worldwide? Do you envision a day when the Internet is censored? It seems
it would be an almost impossible task, yet one that is continually being
attempted.
The response to the events of September 11th have made it clearer than
ever that censorship and political repression are coming to America.
The "War on Terrorism," will not only take away Americans' traditional
freedoms, but it will not protect them from terrorism either. As long
as the U.S. government acts like the bully of the globe, those whom it
bullies will try to retaliate when they can.
I feel, the Internet will become less and less free. Straight out
censorship, where a panel of censors screens everything, may not be
workable, but it is quite possible for smaller ISP's to be bought by
bigger ISP's, so that in time there will be a very limited number of
companies providing Internet services. Those that own these ISP's will
either voluntarily, or through the pressure of special interest groups,
then promote the same sort of uniformity for the Internet that one sees
now on television. Sites and even individual e-mail accounts may be
canceled for "hate" (as political dissent is now called). There may
still be a few small independent ISP's remaining, but these can be
blocked by the bigger ISP's. "Hate sites" may also be listed by fewer
and fewer search engines. Very interested people will always be able to
find alternative views, but in the future they may have to work harder
to do it.
Clearly, in Europe also, things are becoming more repressive. Members of
the E.U. are being told that they must unify their criminal codes and
that "racism" must be a crime. However, Europeans could speak about
this more knowledgeably than I can.
It is quite obvious, that because of Hendrik's musical preference
and political beliefs he is seen as some kind of enemy to the global
'system.' Yet, when he was a 'free' man, he was merely involved in
music, labels, etc., promoting primarily music that the system didn't
agree with or understand. They must have felt that if he was behind bars
he wouldn't be a trouble to them anymore. I feel they made a great
error. By hunting him globally, ignoring their own laws and ours in the
process, they strengthened people's opinions and resolve of them. They
reaffirmed what many people knew all along, and maybe what others were
only beginning to understand, they made clear. That there is no true
justice for any of us, no truth, no real freedom. They have made it so
that many people who never would have spoken to one another, such as
ourselves, have met and united in a sense against this injustice. Your
thoughts?
This is certainly the way it should be! However, many people have said,
"Hendrik is locked up now and there is nothing we can do, so why bother
with him any more?" This is a wrong and fatal attitude. The injustices
that he has been subject to should be brought up again and again. They
should strengthen people to fight for our freedom and for our people.
Speaking of some of the growing negative aspects of the world we
live, what is your opinion on the future? Will things grow worse before
better? Do you see any real solutions to changing things?
Certainly things will get much worse before they get better. However,
many people need bad conditions to motivate them. Also remember that
things will have to get very bad indeed before one can truly say all is
lost.
There were articles in magazines and newspapers a few months back saying
that most of Europe's population is descended from 50 women. From this
small group of people every great work of art and every scientific
development in Europe (and the rest of the world where people of
European descent live) came about. As long as there are a few thousand
healthy and intelligent White people in the world and the planet isn't
poisoned to death, a total rebirth is possible.
How can people continue to assist Hendrik, even though he was taken
back to Germany? Any information or ideas you could give would be great.
Hendrik has written me many times wanting to know how many people have
contributed to his defense fund. Unfortunately, recently there have
been very few. I stated why he needs money for legal fees earlier. He
would also like to have money to buy things to make his life easier,
such as an electric typewriter, a radio, etc.
